Quote from Jason on August 18, 2020, 6:21 pm

I have been playing around with FS2020 today and this is what I've found so far:

1. Stunning graphics and acceptable performance (20FPS) on a 4 year old 2GB Nvidia card (way under recommended specs)
2. Cannot directly import the Lear45 from P3D/FSX (not unexpected)
3. FSUIPC is available as a beta through Oct 2020, it's now a stand-alone file that must be run outside of FS, like WideFS
4. FSUIPC currently requires SimConnect.dll from the MSFS 2020 SDK.
This can be downloaded by enabling developer mode (from the General Settings Menu) and then selecting "help-downloads-SDK" menu from within the simulator.
You then have to copy SimConnect.dll into the directory for FS7.
5. Jet45 works with FSUIPC 7 and MSFS 2020!
The bad news is that SimConnect has a known bug that kills framerates and therefore Jet45 performance, hopefully this is addressed soon
Still some testing to do with all of the modules, but will be slow going with the framerate issues

Quote from Mark Speechley on August 18, 2020, 11:38 pm

As with any new simulator there is much updating to do. P3d v5 is at V5 and has still visually a lot to go. The work Jason has done to date is amazing and thank you. We obviously still have no Learjet for 2020 but we didn’t have it for P3d v4 .0 ‘technically’. Just a matter of time and we’ll be good to go.

I know some have used P3d as a punching bag recently esp with 2020 out as a comparison but here is a review from a 787 pilot of 2020 and his opinion of P3d. Pls don’t throw the baby out with the bath water .......just yet.

Worth the read.

While the airliners are completely hosed(thats an understatement really) the GA in 2020 is certainly an experience that ive never had in 35 years if simming.
Headed East from Chambery into the Alps for an amazing VFR flight in the SR22.
Asobo did a lot of work in the last version to release improving the flight feel and turbulence significantly.
Far more realistic and yes it still needs some more tweaking but the SR-22 is good as is the 172 and Supercub, Cub and a few others.
Flew past mountain lodges and stumbled upon a beautiful little mountain airport to land at.
Truly unique that no other sim including xplane with level 17 ortho has never provided.
Amazingly cool and worth every cent.
I fly real aircraft for a living p(787 ex Airbus of 16 years)and im interested in simulation not a GTA style flight on my PC so simply “nice graphics” and being able to “see my house” doesnt cut it.
This is supposed to be a simulator that many use for real training(P3D) (XP11) and the VFR part it does and having spent many thoysands of hours training real people to fly you could easily use 2020 for VFR training.
The airliners two of which i have flown simply dont cut it so P3D will still rule with a fleet of very high fidelity aircraft that yes you can use for real world training.
Pretty disappointing after Asobo promised so much like “outstandingly accurate aircraft tuned by real pilots who fly them” video after video.
Its a Default is not an “excuse” after the promises Asobo showered the community in, remember video number 1?
As a tester we where ignored on multiple topics like clouds, storms, the aircraft etc. Quite disappointing and the end result shows exactly what happens when you ignore your testers.
You end up with airliners that seriously should be stil in beta for several more months not being “paid for” by customers.
These aircraft are not “free”. You have and I have paid for them.
How much extra did you pay for that 787 that is absolutely horrendous version of the aircraft i fly in the real world?
Asobo never once released that 787 for testing and its far from what is a commercial product, remember hiw much extra did you pay for a barely functioning beta aircraft?
There is no excuse for that.
They charged people for an untested product.
They should at least have basic autopilot modes working.
Nobody expected Fslabs quality but seriously basic functionality like FLCH should work properly, basic handling to be ok, and a basic feel for the aircraft isnt a huge target. They didnt even hit the dart board with that one.
The handling issues in the A320 where highlighted on its first release 6 months ago. Its still a fight to get its nose up to 15 degrees after take off to stop it overspeeding, pretty poor effort to not fix basic function issues reported galfva year ago.
Its spoilt the sim for many and thats very unfortunate who wanted what Asobo promised in their marketing.
Streamers failed to highlight these masdive issues preferring to kuss Asobo on the hand afraid of upsetting the hand that fed them, ir at least paid them.
On the other hand and a huge contrast the VFR in MSFS is simply awesome exactly what we where hoping for.
Sure the clouds are soft poorly textured, the storms look absolutely nothing like real thunderstorms being black/brown more like an erupting volcano than a cell.
Yes we told them, yes we showed them photos and no they didnt listen preferring a more Hollywood rendition suitable to GTA than a simulator.
The world is fantastic but what is incredible is the atmosphere. It really feels like VFR flying watching the weather change etc.
That in itself is a remarkable achievement.
The lighting is simply incredible and a new benchmark for Austin and LM to aim for Asobo absolutely nailed the feeling and atmosphere of every time of day. Outstanding work.
So im straight back into P3D to fly the FSLabs with real looking storm clouds and the best simulation of the airline environment ever seen in a sim the FSLabs.
But after that ill be back in the Supercub to go river flying in Idaho in MSFS.
Great time to be simming however MSFS has revolutionised VFR simulation.

 

Mark S

Quote from Roel on August 19, 2020, 4:40 am

I agree so far with Mark (and the guy who wrote the review..)!

Accuracy with the included aircrafts is very poor.
On the 747 most of the overhead panel can not be used for instance, also lots of functions in other default aircraft are not available.
I was expecting more of that.

I use , and will continue to use, the Prepar3D v4.5 for now, in combination with ORBX this also still looks great.
And indeed flying in a suberb VFR enviroment is for cockpit builders not a priority.
But still i am curious where FS2020 will lead into...

Great news that Jet45 will be working Jason!!

Quote from Ron Rollo on August 19, 2020, 7:00 pm

Yes, MSFS2020 is finally here and the wait is over!

From what I have read and seen, I think we will be in good shape moving forward with MSFS2020!  With this new flight simulator platform to build on, we have finally broke free of the old FS engine that dates back at least 12 years.  Without a doubt, the engineers at MS and LM took the old flight sim just about as far as they could take it, even moving to 64 bit, thanks to LM.

Today we have a brand new, rebuilt from the ground up simulator using all the cutting edge tech that the gamers enjoy.  I do not play Xbox or PlayStation, but I have a grandson that I watch play and all I can say is the graphics are incredible with those gaming consoles!  And they have been for well over ten years when comparing them to the old MSFS graphics.

We need to stay focused on the big picture items which are aerodynamics, weather generator, graphics and performance.  From what I have seen and heard so far, we are golden.   The other stuff will come later if it is not already here.  Don't get caught up in the minor details or lack of if a 787 as an example does not have all the bells and whistles as the real aircraft does.  (You can be a little upset about misleading info if you want)

 

Here is something to think about:

If MSFS2020 did happen to have a Lear45 aircraft in it, does that mean we would not need Jet45 AAS?  Does it mean that the MS guys and the team at Asobo did such a great job modeling the aircraft that there would be no need for a third party addon aircraft?  I bet not.  What I am getting at is nothing has changed as far as high fidelity modeling of a specific aircraft.  If the 787 pilot that Mark pointed to wants to fly the most realistic 787 sim, he is going to have to spend some additional cash for a realistic 787 addon.

I would not expect to see our favorite aircraft, the Lear45 in this new sim as a default aircraft ready to go with everything working and nothing broken.  It would be wishful thinking and every few years when a new sim comes out, there are a few of us that seem to fall into that trap.  I have been there!

However, it would be a huge benefit to us if the new sim had a default Lear45 to build on.  It would be safe to say that 75% of the aircraft, config files and setting would already be there for us to tap into and modify.  We would still need a third party addon and without a doubt an avionics package like what Jet45 provides.

The bottom line is this sim and the performance that it brings is way over due!  I am looking forward to giving it a whirl!

Quote from Roel on August 20, 2020, 2:36 am

Is there anybody who was able to get rid of the chasepane?
There seems not to be an option to get a full outside view without the chaseplane...or am i missing something?
I hope this will be possible in the future!

Quote from Jason on August 20, 2020, 11:48 am

Ive been struggling to find a setting for this too Roel. Ive gone through all of the cfg files and options and don't see anything obvious.  Maybe for the time being we have to disable the virtual cockpits in the cockpit.cfg files.  It's not much use to us builders if we have to have a cockpit within a cockpit!

Quote from Ron Rollo on August 23, 2020, 11:19 am

Here is something one of your who already have MSFS2020 can check out and confirm:

Do they now have the landing light working independently of each other?  It looks like they have keyboard commands for left landing lights and right landing lights.  It also looks like taxi lights are still all or none.

Here is the MSFS Keynoard Command list:

https://flyawaysimulation.com/downloads/files/24781/msfs-controls-keyboard-commands/

Quote from Roel on August 25, 2020, 4:32 am

Well, I have tried these controls with the 747 and the Citation, but I can not see any landing light activity.
In the cockpit view the view point is moving but not the landing lights.

Could be it is specific to an aircraft, but I am not sure which...

Quote from Ron Rollo on August 25, 2020, 6:26 am

Thanks Roel for checking.

It must work on at least one aircraft because they would not have taken the time to add these key assignments.  Hopefully with time they will add those functions to all the aircraft that have that ability.  The 747 certainly has that ability.

The Lear45 has split landing and taxi lights also and we are trying to determine if we need to plan for this possible feature to be available to us or not.

Keep an eye out for this function when flying each of the aircraft available.  The more we learn the better equipped we become to solve a problem.  We might be able to "borrow" a configuration file from another aircraft and add it to our Lear45 aircraft file once we start developing it.  We actually did this before when we were trying to resolve another outside lighting problem.  Believe it or not, we borrowed a file from a sailboat simulator!