Quote from Hangar45 Admin on December 15, 2017, 8:52 am

(Original thread started on 04-19-10 by Shane Barnes)

Here is a link to a manufacturer of the chart holders for the yoke. This site has some dimensional information for the chart holder. Take a look at part number TDS pc 406001

http://www.madelec.fr/

 

(Posted by Rand Mathews on 08-17-10)

Wow wish I would have know the group was looking for these! We've been throwing a bunch of these things away like crazy at work. I grabbed a couple for myself, but looks like I'll grab a few more now.

 

They are the style with the light just like the one shown on the web page. A lot of them are coming out of DC-9's or MD-80's, and some 37's and 47's. I will double check the dimensions and keep everyone posted.

 

Got a hold of 2 pair, but I kept a pair and sold the other to a 737 builder. I will be getting more in the near future. I'm also on cockpitbuilders.com selling 27 and 37 parts. But some stuff can be adapted for the Lear. So keep an eye out over there also.

 

(Posted by Shane Barnes on 09-13-10)

I received two chart holders from Rand and thought I would post a few photos. They are in really good condition and work fine. Thanks Rand for sourcing these for us. These are going to work with the Lear 35 yokes really good. I am going to post more photos of the chart holders under my build thread:

 

And with the light on:

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 09-22-10)

I got my chart holders yesterday and they are going to work perfectly for our projects!  And like Shane said, there should be no issues with mounting them onto out Lear35 yokes.  I will probably use rubber spacers or washers to help join the two parts together.  Here are some photos of what is found in most Learjet 45 aircraft:

 

 

 

Oh yeah, in my mind, these things were much larger than what they really are. When I opened the box that Rand sent, I was surprised at how small these things really are. But after putting it up to the yoke like what Shane did in an earlier post, it brings them back to scale:

 

(Posted by Shane Barnes on 09-22-10)

Hey Ron, I did the same thing when I opened the box.  I thought how small they looked. I should have had an idea as to size because of the yoke size.  I think I was on the phone with Eric when I opened them and commented to him how small they are. I'm glad we found a source for these, hope that Rand can get his hands on some more. Just a little more detail added to the flight deck, actually quite a bit of detail considering the yoke and chart holder are right there in your hands.

 

(Posted by Rand Mathews on 12-19-10)

Hey guys, I received a few more of the Lear style chart holders. These are in great shape and look almost new. Best set I've received yet:

 

(Posted by Alan Norris on 01-10-12)

Randy, I just got an email from the company that distributes these (Madalec Aero) saying they will get me a price on them. Did your email come from Damon Griebel? He told me that there is a later one available. Price for the new version of the Madelec chart holder $850.

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 01-10-12)

Here are some photos of the ones I got from Rand:

 

 

(Posted by Will Sasse o 01-10-12)

Personally I question the need for a chart holder. Yes, the original had them, but I wonder if they're not being swapped out for some form of digital EFB? I do not intend to add chart holders, I will rely on an iPad/tablet and digital charts/manuals/checklists.

 

But then again, I haven't found yokes yet, so I really don't know what will happen in the end. I would really like a nice pair of yokes with Lear logo's on them.

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 01-11-12)

Your right, they will soon be obsolete with EFB coming on line.  However, the biggest reason why it is such a big deal to us is because they hide the fact that we are using Lear35 yokes. At this time, we can not get our hands on Lear45 yokes and if we could, we probably would not like the price that is attach to them. As it is, the Lear35 yokes are around $600 to $750 each!!!

 

(Posted by Eric Tomlin on 01-11-12)

I'm torn on the chartholder issue- I like them because not only do they hide the fact that they're not -45 yokes (and with the holders, the only give-a-way is the fact that the yokes are not textured charcoal vs. gloss black) but it does provide "the look". However, I agree also that EFB is the way. With that said, I think using an EFB is going to largely depend on whatever happens with this whole FAA chart source deal (for me at least) that is going on right now. Also, the plan for me re EFB is to use a tablet that can be plugged into a port somewhere in the flightdeck (or wireless). MS has a new item coming soon that will IMHO be better than the iPad for this type of application- the name of it escapes me but the reason I think it may be better than iPad is only in the context of running normal Windows-based programs on a very lite and portable device that would be a nice fit for a small cockpit. We will see.

 

(Posted by Rand Mathews on 01-13-12)

Sorry guys for coming in late on this topic, I really wish I could help out. I remember there was one other place that I saw the holders, I will have to see if I saved it. They were pretty high priced also, but not $850!

 

I will do my best to see what I can do. The builders that bought from me before were lucky, and some complained that my price for the pair was too high. Well now you know why.  I will keep everyone posted.

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 01-13-12)

Thanks Rand for your efforts!  I was doing some never ending research and I discovered that I personally have been over looking the fact that there are at least three verified accounts where there is a second style type of chart holder in the Lear45. Take a look at this photo:

Just one more "Did you know."

 

(Posted by Ronald Pater on 08-27-12)

Hi guys, I was wondering how a chart holder is attached to a yoke. Do you think it could be mounted to a Saitek yoke for instance? If not, I'm thinking of going to make them myself with the drawings and pictures provided above.

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 08-28-12)

The ones that most of us have and are using have a bracket that kinda fits across the top of the yoke. It has two holes that use screws to attach to the yoke. I had to drill two holes in the top of my yoke and then tap the holes so that the screws would thread into it. Although it is not noticeable and not a big deal, the chart holder bracket is round where as the top of the yoke is flatter.

 

BUT IT WORKS!

 

 

(Posted by Randy Buchanan on 08-30-12)

The chart holder we could build is like the one show here if there is any interest. And again it is not simple but possible.

 

This shows what the face looks like:

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 08-30-12)

Actually, I have seen a few Lear45 photos with this type of chart holder in it:

 

(Posted by Claude on 10-25-13)

I expect to have a contact with the local manufacturer in coming day and arrange a visit soon in order to know what they can supply to our community at a "special price". I'll keep you informed. Could you let me know with LJ45 chart holder size?

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 10-25-13)

None of us have the real Lear45 lighted chart holders. I believe they are similar but not the exact model. The ones we have came out of airliners that were being dismantled. They took a little tweaking to make them fit onto our Lear35 yokes.

 

Whatever they can help with will be fine. If they are close to what we need at an affordable price, I am sure some of our hangar members will take them off their hands.

 

(Posted by Mark Speechley on 01-22-14)

Just looking for an update on the chart holders? Rand? Claude?  I am three months behind the the rest of you but catching up!

 

(Posted by Randy Buchanan on 02-09-14)

Hey Mark, I have not talked with you in a while. I hope your project is coming along nicely. I take it you have a couple of Lear35 yokes and you want to put on some chart holders like Ron has. I was thinking that the ones Ron has are real Lear chart holders, but he says not. I don't know if you want to think about whether you really need them. A really good picture I have of the real Lear45 does not have chart holders rather there is a clip on the yoke with the logo Lear 45 on it. What I am understanding is that commercial and corporate pilots are using these days is EFB. Electronic flight bag which takes the form of an iPad or tablet in my case. Most pilots get real tired of hauling a suit case full of paper charts which need to manually updated and are sometimes difficult to find in the cockpit during an approach. In my case I just Velcro the tablet on the yoke and it is lighted and I can change the size of areas of interest so I can see them better. Some time ago I got a set of holders and yokes from a Canadian jet with the thought of copying the holder for club members who could not find them. But as you can see they are real chart holders but not Lear 45 holders. I talked with Ron at that time and he was right in that they are a little more complex than they appear. But it is still possible. What do you really want to do? It may be you like the look or the idea of paper charts on the yoke. That is cool too.  Check this out:

 

(Posted by Ron Rollo on 02-10-14)

Hey guys, I personally like the look of the real chart holders in my sim. The ones I have are out of a salvaged DC10 or something like that, I can't remember. But they are the same type and style found in the Lear45.

 

But with that said, I have been flying for well over a year and now that I am hooked on the iPad mini for my charts and things. I have not used and do not see a real need for the chart holders other than the light on it gives off a nice light in your lap. So if you plan on using a iPad mini, the chart holder becomes eye candy.

 

(Posted by Claude on 02-10-14)

Hi Mark, I met people from MADELEC AERO company few weeks ago, very interesting visit and very good products all brand new that is to say very expensive. When I visited the company the Boss was not there, therefore impossible to discuss about price and any further possibility to have a "special" deal for us. If someone is really interested I can go forward with MADELEC AERO. Personally I am far from the step of mounting the chart holder this is why I did not insist now, but again if you and others are really interested I am prepare to visit the company again.

 

(Posted by Rand Mathews on 02-10-14)

Sorry for the slow reply, but I don't check here that often anymore. Anyway I wish I could help on the chart holders, but my supply dried up a long time ago. They were originally salvaged from Airbus A300's and I also were getting some similar from MD-80's for other builders. Maybe Claude can get some kind of a special deal, but last I checked they were extremely expensive. If anything changes I will definitely let everyone know.

 

(Posted by Randy Buchanan on 02-11-14)

Hey Claude, thanks for finding this place. I have these same drawings and was looking at building this part.  For my good friends who would like some eye candy, I will look into making some of these.  It is interesting to me the square head type is also an authentic holder too. The current price I found for the real thing is $850.00 which makes wanting to build one for something like $200.00. We will see.